Gospel Tracts
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ANDREW MARIN AND PHYLLIS TICKLE
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This is a follow-up to the Apprising Ministries article Growing Gay Agenda In Evangelicalism. Therein I used the two part interview of Phyllis Tickle, the empress of the egregiously ecumenical Emerging Church de-formation of the Christian faith aka Emergent Church—now morphing into Emergence Christianity—(EC) conducted by Andrew Marin and posted over at his blog.
The two videos below provide a good basis for some further dicussion concerning the fact that Emerging/ent/ence Christianity is fast gaining ground for their gay affirming agenda e3ven within mainstream evangelicalism. As I pointed out earlier, she’s simply rehashing tired old arguments from the original Cult of Liberal Theology.
Along with this EC staples e.g. heretical theologian Tony Jones and his friend gay affirming “pastor” Jay Bakker are reintroducing the same rhetoric, which would cause the now mortally wounded mainline denominations to cut loose their anchor of Sola Scriptura in favor of highly subjective Contemplative Spirituality/Mysticism. You’d best get ready to defend against the following.
Andrew Marin tells us in this Part 1: Andrew Interviews Phyllis Tickle, “I had the opportunity to interview Phyllis Tickle”.
This appears as Part 2: Andrew Interviews Phyllis Tickle; a transcription of Tickle’s musing follows below:
Marin first notes that “eighty percent” of Tickle’s congregation “is in the GLBT community” so this isn’t a strange question for him to ask her:
If you could say something to the gay and lesbian community, what would you want to say? Or, if you would like to impart knowledge of all the people who read—not read, but—view this, what would you want to impart to them, for them to say to [the] gay and lesbian community?
Tickle: I say it all the time and—let me put it in a different context; ah, I’m a female; obviously. It took a huge move of my sisters—I’m seventy-five—so, really some who are younger than I, to get the feminist movement going.
They burst a boil, or lanced a boil, that needed to be lanced. I find—and I’m not a good feminist—I have seven children; you can’t be a good feminist of any ability and have seven children.
But anyway, I’m on what they did; I think it’s wonderful, but you can’t pick the scab off a boil that’s healing. Ah, and—so I find myself; short, maybe, ah- with my feminist friends who want to keep running it up the flagpole.
Because what you do is, you become identified by your thrust; and when nobody is thrusting back, if you keep thrusting, just in order to have your identity, what you lose is who you are once the problem is solved, or near solved. This one is almost solved.
Now, easy for me to say; obviously I’m not lesbian. Easy for me to say it’s the answer; no, it’s not easy; but if you’ll look at it in terms of the feminist argument, and understand that as a woman, I walked—I walked that road.
Ah, and I still say to my stridently feminist friends, “You’re not serving the cause well. And what you’re really doing is is giving yourselves a contended self identity instead of struggling to find a new one in a society where nobody is pushing back; or where the push-back is not sufficient to justify the shove you’re giving it. The difference between lancing a boil and picking at the scab once it begins to heal. And that may be a simplistic way to put it, but I think it’s a serious, serious issue.
I—I think that you can talk just so long, and as things begin to change—and they’re changing now—ah, then there needs to be a graciousness. And there needs to be the courage to self-identify around something else. Maybe just self-identify around a PTA for gay parents—or I mean, something.
Ah, I don’t really mean that; but, but, something that shows the next step of who, and what, you are. Um and ah—so you’re right, I say that to all of my dear friends at Holy Trinity; and they just roll their eyes. Or Susan Russell, who leads Integrity—which is the Episcopal Church’s movement—as you know, um, and we’re good friends, and ah, colleagues, and she just says—or Louis Crew—and they just say, “You don’t understand.”
Yeah, I’m pretty sure I don’t understand; but I do understand the female thing, and I have the same reaction, and the same sense, of learn when you’re picking a scab, as opposed to lancing a boil.
See also:
THE SIN OF HOMOSEXUALITY IS DIFFERENT
HOMOPRESSION IS AT LEAST AS BAD AS HOMOPHOBIA
ROB BELL, PETER ROLLINS, AND QUEERMERGENT’S ADELE SAKLER
EX-HOMOSEXUAL FRIEND OF APPRISING MINISTRIES
THE NIGHTMARE BEGINNING FOR MAINSTREAM EVANGELICALISM
OUTLAW PREACHERS KHAD YOUNG AND JAY BAKKER DON’T LOVE ENOUGH
GROWING GAY AGENDA IN EVANGELICALISM
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…always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. (2 Timothy 3:7, NASB)
Telling Each Other What They Already Want To Hear
In the Apprising Ministries post Tony Jones And Ken Silva Agree! I brought you a very telling quote from Tony Jones, a leading spokesman for the egregiously ecumenical Emerging Church de-formation of the Christian faith aka Emergent Church—now morphing into Emergence Christianity—(EC). Jones, who’s “theologian in residence” at the EC church of his quasi-universalist pastor Doug Pagitt, speaks of his time teaching at the 2009 Cornerstone festival:
I will say this: I think we can see Cornerstone as a sort of belwether of evangelicalism. Five and ten years ago, the seminar tents were populated with seminars on modern, evidential apologetics (Norman Geisler was a name I heard a lot) and pro-life stragegy sessions. Today, the seminars are on creation care, developing new monastic communities, centering prayer, and human rights. Phyllis Tickle and I talked about the great emergence. And, for the first time at Cornerstone, Christians who favor gay rights and GLBT inclusion in the church were allowed to speak alongside those from “ex-gay” ministries.
This is the shift that’s taking place in evangelicalism, people. Get ready for it. (Online source, bold his)
Jones is correct; this shift is underway, which is why in articles like Emerging Church To TransFORM Outlaw Preachers—a largely biblically illiterate group headed by Jones’ friend gay affirming “pastor” Jay Bakker—I’ve been warning you that there’s a very dark and threatening same-sex storm right now approaching hurricane force and which, is currently only slightly off the coast of your own local church. And you’d best prepare to answer the type of reimagined liberalism you’ll hear below from Phyllis Tickle, the empress of Emergence Christianity.
While evangelical leaders lust for number$ EC advocates have been busy capturing mainstream evangelical Young Adult and Youth ministries. Rob Bell, the Elvis of the Emerging Church, is clearly considered mainstream now; published by Zondervan, being a featured speaker at Zondervan’s 2009 National Pastors Conference, and we even see a Bell blessing from Purpose Driven Pope Rick Warren with Saddleback Church Pastors Using Rob Bell Teachings.
And all this despite Bell preaching anti-Protestant mystic myths like “The Great Enlightened Ones” Tell Us Man Has Divine Greatness. The point is: If you don’t think these views are already deep into mainstream evangelicalism, you are a dreamer. Well Bell has also had Tickle teach at his Mars Hill Bible Church; the interested reader will find a transcript of her heretical message, which was closer to the message of the Dalai Lama than e.g. a Tozer or a Spurgeon, in A Treasure We Don’t Understand—Phyllis Tickle At Mars Hill Bible Church.
Arguments Of Modern Theology Reimagined For Postmodern Theology Just As Wrong
You will see in Who Is Phyllis Tickle? that’s a very apt title concerning her own views of Christianity. There’s another reason that I mentioned Jones’ post on Cornerstone 2009; not only was Phyllis Tickle there, but in his post Looking Back on Cornerstone – The Gays Have Their Day Jones also informs us:
Probably the most anticipated element of Cornerstone that I was involved with was a panel discussion entitled, “Gay Rights or Wrongs,” which was a conversation about how the church should approach the issue of GLBT persons… On the panel with me were Rich Amesbury, a professor of ethics at Claremont School of Theology, Andrew Marin of the Marin Foundation, Christine Sneeringer from Worthy Creations Ministry, and Frank Carrasco of Exodus International. (Online source, bold mine)
Marin tells us in Part 1: Andrew Interviews Phyllis Tickle, “I had the opportunity to interview Phyllis Tickle”. Then he says:
She has some very clear thoughts on the shifting culture of Christianity and how that relates to gays and lesbians, and I’m wondering what you think of all she said in this first part of the interview? (Online source)
And then in Part 2: Andrew Interviews Phyllis Tickle Marin tells us:
This video is Part 2 which answers the question, What does Phyllis Tickle communicate to her congregation, that is 80% GLBT, about straight Christians and Christianity in general? What do you think about what she said? (Online source)
She’s simply rehashing arguments from the original Cult of Liberal theology, and reintroducing the same rhetoric, which would cause the now mortally wounded mainline denominations to cut loose their anchor of Sola Scriptura in favor of highly subjective Contemplative Spirituality/Mysticism; in other words, it’s the same spiritual sewerage spewed e.g. by Living Spiritual Teacher and “Progessive Christian” scholar Marcus Borg. It’s all been heard before; and there’s no new evidence, we’ve also seen it before.
Part One
Part Two
See also:
THE SIN OF HOMOSEXUALITY IS DIFFERENT
HOMOPRESSION IS AT LEAST AS BAD AS HOMOPHOBIA
ROB BELL, PETER ROLLINS, AND QUEERMERGENT’S ADELE SAKLER
EX-HOMOSEXUAL FRIEND OF APPRISING MINISTRIES
THE NIGHTMARE BEGINNING FOR MAINSTREAM EVANGELICALISM
OUTLAW PREACHERS KHAD YOUNG AND JAY BAKKER DON’T LOVE ENOUGH
Zanzibar Evicts Congregation from Government Building
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Officials on Tanzanian island cite ‘renovations,’ but pastor sees pandering to Muslims.
NAIROBI, Kenya, June 22 (CDN) — A pastor in Zanzibar City said his church is without a worship place after government officials, at the instigation of radical Islamists, evicted the congregation from their rented building on Tanzania’s Zanzibar Island off the coast of East Africa.
With just two days’ notice, government officials ordered Christians of the Church of God Zanzibar from their rented government building effective April 19, ostensibly to pave the way for renovations. But two months later, said pastor Lucian Mgayway, no renovation work has begun and none appears to be forthcoming.
The government has not only failed to renovate the building but has since turned it into a business site, Pastor Mgaywa said. The church had been worshipping in the building since October 2000.
In evicting the church from its building in the Kariakoo area of Zanzibar City, Pastor Mgaywa said, the government gave in to partisan demands. “Our being told to vacate the premise by the government was a calculated move to disintegrate the church and to please the Muslims who do not want us to be in this particular area,” he said.
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