December 4, 2008
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While America’s entrepreneurial pastor, Rick Warren is promoting his solution for the economy…
The Herescope blog reports on the rising tensions in the Congo and specifically for Rwanda…
Rwanda is the first “purpose-driven nation” on Earth, an experiment in the 3-legged stool concept developed and promulgated by the late management guru Peter Drucker. Rick Warren’s Global P.E.A.C.E. Plan has been using Rwanda as a template for Dominionism. Working hand-in-hand with NGOs, the United Nations, charitable foundations, multinational corporations, and churches, Warren has been trumpeting his “transformation” of the nation of Rwanda.
It seems that Paul Kagame — Rick Warren’s personal friend — may have strong connections to Mr. Makabuza Ngoga who is accused by the UN of using strong-arm tactics to smuggle minerals from Congo to Rwanda.
December 4, 2008
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One of the more compelling Marian apparitions of Roman Catholicism took place in Mexico on December 9, 10 and 12, 1531. The apparition left a “Miraculous Image” of herself on the cloak of native Saint Juan Diego. The cloak and image still exist today in the Basilica of Our Lady of Guadalupe in Mexico City.
See more on the detailed signs and wonders surrounding this Marian apparition, Our Lady of Guadalupe at the Watcher’s Lamp.
December 4, 2008
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It’s finally here, folks, and there’s some Scripture that needs to be made “relevant” just like they do in the real life Purpose Driven “Churches”!
December 4, 2008
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Repentance is turning, not just FROM SIN, but also TO CHRIST. In repentance, we turn from “irresistible” sin to an irresistible Savior. We draw back from the fleeting pleasures of sin and run headlong into the eternal joys of Christ. He becomes the object of our pursuit, the Friend from Whom we cannot bear to be distant, the delight and satisfaction of our souls. As we were smitten with sin, and willing to give all for it, we are now smitten with HIM and willing to give all for this Wonderful One. He amazes us! Repentance leads us to Christ, not merely as the Substitute Who was punished in our place, but as the replacement for the sin that we formerly cherished. Every desire we have had for sin should rightly have been directed toward Him. Every enjoyment of earthly pleasure should have been an enjoyment of Him. All the love we have had for worldly things should have been love for Him. The self-importance with which we puffed ourselves up should have been ascribed to Him as glory and honor and worship. The proud confidence we have wasted on ourselves should have been dependence on His grace and faith in His goodness. All the service and submission we have given to sin should have been His. Rather than slavishly laboring for sin, we should have surrendered to His sovereign lordship. Repentance says these things.
By our sin, we have expressed a low view of Christ. Now, in repentance, we again see Him enthroned, glorious, exalted, worthy, attractive, beautiful, capable, wise, desirable and perfect. He is the SUBSTITUTE for the sinner and the REPLACEMENT for the sin. He captivates us!
We are not to begin repentance by replacing sin with good works. We are to begin by replacing our love for sin with love for Christ, and we are to replace our acts of sin with acts of devotion to Him. As you read these words, do you see in yourself a lack of zeal and devotion for Jesus Himself? Do you seem to fall short of this high view of Him? Dear friend, do not despair – simply fall before Him and tell Him what you lack. Tell Him you don’t even know what you lack. All the treasures of wisdom and knowledge are in Him, and He will give you whatever you need. He will BE whatever you need!
As we come to Christ in this way, new desires are born in us. We begin to taste the goodness of God and sin becomes less appetizing (and eventually downright disgusting). As I Corinthians 1:30 declares, Christ “has become for us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption . . .” and whatever else we may need. It is all in Him. Until this truth becomes real to us, our repentance remains incomplete. But once it is embraced, the embrace is forever! You’ll find it in the arms of Jesus, as He becomes more to you than He ever was before.
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December 4, 2008
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To his credit Tony Jones is speaking candidly and clearly on his position and the time has arrived for others in the very popular Emergent Church, which is affecting scores of younger people even within conservative mainstream evangelical churches, to also be man enough to go on the record with their views concerning a critical issue around which the very real possibility of hate crime laws revolve. And this is precisely why I asked the question: Will Rob Bell Now Follow Tony Jones Out Of The Closet? As you’ll see here all that’s been forthcoming is a form letter having nothing to do with Bell’s position on homosexuality.
Apprising Ministries with a post we hope will encourage Rob Bell, who is without a doubt one of the most popular people in the visible church, to make the time to at least do up a form letter which answers the question: Can someone who is unrepentant in their practicing of a homosexual lifestyle also become a Christian? After all, I’m constantly told how Jesus-centered and Biblical Bell’s teaching is; So Rob Bell, where do you stand; because Jesus answers the question—No.
December 4, 2008
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He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it. (Titus 1:9)
It Is The Job Of The Pastor To Clearly Articulate Sound Doctrine For His Flock
As near as I can tell, sadly, there really doesn’t seem to have been much interest in the following disclosure by Emerging Church theologian Tony Jones, who despite our differences I do respect for going on the record publicly, when he confesses:
And yet, all the time I could feel myself drifting toward acceptance that gay persons are fully human persons and should be afforded all of the cultural and ecclesial benefits that I am. (”Aha!” my critics will laugh derisively, “I knew he and his ilk were on a continuous leftward slide!”)
In any case, I now believe that GLBTQ can live lives in accord with biblical Christianity (at least as much as any of us can!) and that their monogamy can and should be sanctioned and blessed by church and state. (Online source, bold theirs)
To his credit Tony Jones is speaking candidly and clearly on his position and the time has arrived for others in the very popular Emergent Church, which is affecting scores of younger people even within conservative mainstream evangelical churches, to also be man enough to go on the record with their views concerning a critical issue around which the very real possibility of hate crime laws revolve. And this is precisely why I asked the question: Will Rob Bell Now Follow Tony Jones Out Of The Closet?
You see, I happen to care a great deal for young people and I am greatly grieved that this postliberal cult of the Emerging Church is allowed to hold court in a rapidly growing circle of mainstream evangelical youth groups thus crippling their faith. In Emergent Wolves Enter Your Sheep Pens Through Youth Groups I showed you what Emerging Church pastor Dan Kimball has revealed in his book Emerging Worship: Creating Worship Gatherings for New Generations in regard to their standard methodology:
The staff at one church in rural Oklahoma…fully believed they needed to start making changes in the way they worshipped in order to be in line with the emerging culture and emerging generations… These staff members were afraid, however, to try anything too radical. After all, they served in a very conservative Baptist church…
they started by slowly adding a few things to their youth meetings. They corporately read ancient creeds and prayers. The lit candles and had times of silent prayer. They allowed the youth to paint during a worship time. They practiced lectio divina or “sacred reading,” the ancient practice of prayerful meditation on Scripture. Not all at once, but little by little they added these elements of worship to their existing meetings…
It was a huge step for them…the staff are planning to have monthly emerging worship gathering for youth (and adults of any age who want to come)… Eventually the church wants to turn the monthly worship gathering into a weekly one. (102, emphasis his)
And that really is a pretty clear picture of the old adage about the frog in the kettle. And the huge influence of Emerging icon Rob Bell lies in his vague and seemingly innocuous Nooma DVDs along with his mystic musings now having the support of more and more youth ministers. With this in mind then a reader of Apprising Ministries wrote me today to share an email they had sent to Mars Hill Bible Church asking a straightforward question and the non-reply they received back. Essentially we could phrase their question this way:
Where does your teaching pastor Rob Bell stand concerning the following question — Can someone who is unrepentant in their practicing of a homosexual lifestyle also become a Christian?
Now such a question would appear to be straightforward and could actually be answered with a simple yes, or, a no. For example, were I as a pastor to be asked that same question my answer would be: No, I’m afraid they could not. The Bible is very clear that the practice of homosexuality is a sin (see—Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10) and for someone to become a Christian they must repent of [i.e. forsake, turn away from] their sin (see—Mark 1:14-15; Acts 20:21).
But unfortunately an honest question to Rob Bell and MHBC on such a crucial issue of our time was met with a mere form letter from a “michelle.” The opening line of the letter is a hope that one will feel this non-response will be “helpful”; this in spite of the fact it “might not answer all your questions or concerns.” Certainly we would expect that MHBC and Bell, like any large conglomeration, would receive mail at such a ”volume” that it does prove “difficult” to be precise “in each instance.”
Then the recipient of this form letter from michelle of “Mars Hill Communications” is told:
We care deeply how Scripture is interpreted and how to discern living the way of Jesus, and in encountering differing viewpoints it is our aim to agree or disagree in love, keeping central a shared desire to know God and serve Jesus Christ. Regarding your comments or questions, we’d like to direct you to our mission , Narrative Theology <http://www.marshill.org/believe> , Directions <http://www.marshill.org/believe/directions> [shared values], and serving focus <http://www.marshill.org/xyz> , available at marshill.org. You might also find our recent audio teachings <http://www.marshill.org/teaching/pcast.php> and archived series <http://www.marshill.org/teaching/series.php> as well as Rob Bell’s recommended reading list <http://www.marshill.org/about/rob/recommendedReadingList.php> to be beneficial.
Right; well, this is offered in the hope that people will encourage Rob Bell, who is without a doubt one of the most popular people in the visible church, to make the time to at least do up a form letter which answers the question: Can someone who is unrepentant in their practicing of a homosexual lifestyle also become a Christian? After all, I’m constantly told how Jesus-centered and Biblical Bell’s teaching is; So Rob Bell, where do you stand; because Jesus answers the question—No.
See also:
APPRISING MINISTRIES: SHOCKING NEW EVIDENCE JESUS CONDEMNED THE PRACTICE OF HOMOSEXUALITY
KEN SILVA: IT’S TIME TO RETHINK THE ISSUE OF HOMOSEXUALITY
WE FEEL HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT A SIN
TODD FRIEL: A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE ROB BELL SAYS PUBLICLY PRACTICING HOMOSEXUALITY IS OK FOR CHRISTIANS
EMERGENT CHURCH OPENLY ACCEPTS PRACTICING HOMOSEXUAL “CHRISTIANS”
BRIAN MCLAREN, THE EMERGING CHURCH, AND HOMOSEXUALITY: WHAT’S SO HARD ABOUT THAT
December 4, 2008
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When those of us who came from an Arminian or Free Will background come to grips with the reality of God’s Sovereignty, it is amazing how we struggle with letting go of the responsibility to “earn” our salvation. Of course, part of that struggle is rooted in the misconception that “election” happens at salvation. Ephesians 1 makes it clear, however, that God chose His elect before the foundation of the world. An honest reading of that wonderful letter by the Apostle Paul shows us that God’s people are His in completion even though many of them have not yet believed and repented. They are our Lord’s sheep.
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December 4, 2008
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This piece from Ankerberg Theological Research Institute feaures Dr. John Ankerberg interviewing Roger Montgomery. Ankerberg begins:
Dr. John Ankerberg: My guest is Roger Montgomery who has come out of the homosexual lifestyle. All of his life that’s all that he knew. And yet around 26 years of age, Christ changed him and we’re going to talk about what took place in that change. How does it come about? Can it come about from maybe you?
Roger, I’m glad that you’re here tonight and yet there may be many homosexuals that are watching and saying, “If he actually changed, then he couldn’t have been a true homosexual.” What would you say to that?
Roger Montgomery: Well, that’s a lie because I lived the homosexual lifestyle for many, many years and I never experienced a heterosexual feeling until I received Christ…
See also:
EMERGENT CHURCH THEOLOGIAN TONY JONES AND HIS UNREPENTANT HOMOSEXUAL CHRISTIANS
WILL ROB BELL NOW FOLLOW TONY JONES OUT OF THE CLOSET?
December 4, 2008
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Double Predestination. If God has predestined some to eternal life, hasn’t he also predestined the others to eternal destruction? But does this mean God forces them to sin in order that he can punish them in Hell? What is “Equal Ultimacy” and is it a biblical doctrine? Mark Keilar from CrossTV explains…
December 4, 2008
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To the teaching and to the testimony! If they will not speak according to this word, it is because they have no dawn. (Isaiah 8:20, ESV)
A Ball Of Confusion; That’s What The Church Is Today
That state of the visible church in the evangelical community is really rather pitiful indeed; and, there’s just no easy way to say it. Years ago God tried to send a warning through Dr. John MacArthur concerning the coming of evangelicalism’s Emerging rebellion against Sola Scriptura. Although the people in the pew were not generally aware of this the seeds were actually sown years before today’s anti-Reformation Contemplative Spirituality/Mysticism arrived inside its walls via the Trojan Horse of the Emerging Church. A spurious spirituality gleaned from the mystical myths of figures in the Counter Reformation (Hello; reality calling!) of apostate Roman Catholicism like Ignatius of Loyola and Teresa of Avila.
You see, in evangelical Bible colleges and seminaries neo-orthodox (at best) professors were using books like Self-Esteem: The New Reformation by Robert Schuller and Celebration of Discipline by Living Spiritual Teacher and Quaker mystic Richard Foster to begin emptying the terminology of the historic orthodox Christian faith of its original Biblical usage all the while recasting it with the meaning of semi-pelagian (at best) human potential. Then this set of pastors was sent out; maybe even to your church, where they have bred the new breed pastors littlering the landscape today.
Meanwhile in the words of his sadly neglected book Reckless Faith MacArthur would actually be speaking prophetically to this time of tepid tolerance:
Neo-orthodoxy is the term used to identify an existentialist variety of Christianity. Because it denies the essential objective basis of truth—the absolute truth and authority of Scripture—neo-orthodoxy must be understood as pseudo-Christianity. Its heyday came in the middle of the twentieth century with the writings of Karl Barth, Emil Brunner, Paul Tillich, and Reinhold Niebaur. Those men echoed the language and the thinking of [Soren] Kierkegaard, speaking of the primacy of “personal authenticity,” while downplaying or denying the significance of objective truth. Barth, the father of neo-orthodoxy, explicitly acknowledged his debt to Kierkegaard.
Neo-orthodoxy’s attitude toward Scripture is a microcosm of the entire existentialist philosophy: the Bible itself is not objectively the Word of God, but it becomes the Word of God when it speaks to me individually. In neo-orthodoxy, that same subjectivism is imposed on all the doctrines of historic Christianity. Familiar terms are used, but are redefined or employed in such a way that is purposely vague—not to convey objective meaning, but to communicate a subjective symbolism. After all, any “truth” theological terms convey is unique to the person who exercises faith. What the Bible means becomes unimportant, What it means to me is the relevant issue. All of this resoundingly echoes Kierkegaard’s concept of “truth that is true for me.”
Thus while neo-orthodox theologians often sound as if they affirming traditional beliefs, their actual system differs radically from the historic understanding of the Christian faith. By denying the objectivity of truth, they relegate all theology to the realm of subjective relativism. It is a theology perfectly suited for the age in which we live. And that is precisely why it is so deadly…
[Contemplative Spirituality aka] Mysticism is perfectly suited for religious existentialism; indeed, it is the inevitable consequence. The mystic disdains rational understanding and seeks truth instead through the feelings, the imagination, personal visions, inner voices, private illumination, of other purely subjective means. Objective truth becomes practically superfluous.
Mysticial experiences are therefore self-authenticating; that is, they are not subject to any form of objective verification. They are unique to the person who experiences them. Since they do not arise from or depend upon any rational process, they are invulnerable to any refutation by rational means… Mysticism is therefore antithetical to discernment. It is an extreme form of reckless faith. Mysticism is the great melting pot into which neo-orthodoxy, the charismatic movement, anti-intellectual evangelicals, and even some segments of Roman Catholicism have been synthesized.
It has produced movements like the Third Wave (a neo-charismatic movement with excessive emphasis on signs, wonders and personal prophesies); Renovaré (an organization that blends teachings from monasticism, ancient [Roman] Catholic mysticism, Eastern Religion, and other mystical traditions); the spiritual warfare movement (which seeks to engage demonic powers in direct confrontation); and the modern prophesy movement (which encourages believers to seek private, extrabiblical revelation directly from God).
The influx of mysticism has also opened evangelicalism to New-Age concepts like subliminal thought-control, inner healing, communication with angels, channeling, dream analysis, positive confession, and a host of other therapies and practices coming directly from occult and Eastern religions. The face of evangelicalism has changed so dramatically in the past twenty years that what is called evangelicalism today is beginning to resemble what used to be called neo-orthodoxy. If anything, some segments of contemporary evangelicalism are even more subjective in their approach to truth than neo-orthodoxy ever was. (25, 26, 27, 28, 29)
But evangelical leaders simply slept on refusing to listen and so we arrive at this pathetic time in the history of the Christian Church. Well, it’s not like mankind hasn’t been here before — everyone did what was right in his own eyes (Judges 21:25). In any event, what MacArthur warned about above is right now so deep into the whoring heart of the visible church that we have the following as perfect illustration of subjectivism trumping Sola Scriptura. We begin with arguably the most visible pastor in the largest “Protestant” denomination in the United States Southern Baptist Pastor Rick Warren Corrects Martin Luther.
I Don’t Feel That You Have The Right To Tell Me What To Believe
Next, in Relevant magazine a while back Tony Jones, one of the more influential theologians in the Emergent Church then speaking of Emergent Village, was quoted as saying, “We haven’t yet found that there’s anything that justifies us breaking fellowship with somebody else who loves and is trying to follow Jesus.” He would later confirm this to me personally during a phone call. And now at the interspiritual website Beliefnet where Jones now blogs in Same Sex Marriage Blogalogue: How I Went from There to Here he removed all doubt as to his position, and that which he feels the Body of Christ itself should also take, regarding those who are unrepentant in their practice of the sin of homosexuality:
And yet, all the time I could feel myself drifting toward acceptance that gay persons are fully human persons and should be afforded all of the cultural and ecclesial benefits that I am. (”Aha!” my critics will laugh derisively, “I knew he and his ilk were on a continuous leftward slide!”)
In any case, I now believe that GLBTQ can live lives in accord with biblical Christianity (at least as much as any of us can!) and that their monogamy can and should be sanctioned and blessed by church and state. (Online source, bold theirs)
Then in Ken Silva: It’s Time To Rethink The Issue Of Homosexuality I showed you how it was that Jones would arrive at his views stated above:
And neither am I going to deny the fact that- (pause) Where I’ve come to on my opinion on this issue [unrepentant practicing homosexuals becoming Christians] is affected, not purely by the philosophical and theological arguments, but also by attending to the movements of my own spirit.
And trying to pay attention to how I think—and listening to—gay people, gay Christians talk about how their-they’ve-how they’ve lived their lives in such a way so that—in their estimation—they’re in accord with Biblical Christianity. And so giving—I wanna give the philosophical its due; but for me, I’m also going to-I have to attend to the existential, for me, because I know that’s been a part of what I’ve come to… (Video below, 2:54-3:46)
Recently “married” sodomite “Christian” Gene Robinson, overseer of Episcopal Churches in New Hampshire where I happen to live, said of his ordination as a practicing homosexual:
I’m deeply pained over all the difficulty that this has caused. But I have to say I believe that this is where God is leading the whole Church; just as God lead us to the full inclusion of people of color, and of women and people in wheelchairs and any number of people who had previously been marginalized.
And finally, “Gay Affirming” Emerging Church pastor Jay Bakker has already told us:
“The more I follow grace, the more I’m drawn to him [God], the more I’m willing to stand up for people being persecuted,” says Jay today. “This sounds so churchy, but I felt like God spoke to my heart and said ‘[homosexuality] is not a sin.’ ” (Online source, emphasis mine)
But such is the sordid bed that spiritually spineless effete evangelical leaders have made for themselves that they may carry on their own adulterous lust affair with stupid so-called “spiritual disciplines” given to them by a corrupt Quaker mystic who also has said:
“The Immanuel Principle is ultimately cosmic,” according to Foster. “We are to reign with God and be with God forever and forever. In the past God worked first directly, then indirectly with his people. Since Jesus’ birth, life, death and resurrection, God works both directly and indirectly. Quakers in the gathered silence experience God both directly and indirectly.”
I noticed that the focus on the with-God life circumnavigates inconsistencies found in Scripture and differing opinions about theology. By looking at how God revealed himself to people throughout Biblical history negates all those arguments. “You bypass it all,” stated Foster. “You put your focus on how God has been with a person and what does that say to me, now? What are their strengths and weaknesses and how does that apply to me? It’s all about developing charact — character that goes on into the future where we will reign with God and be with God eternally. (Online source, emphasis mine)
So now they have no authority upon which to rest any judgments as to who is speaking for God and who is not because they were not willing to heed what the Lord had told them in Acts 17:11 — Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. Here’s the sad news; if Scripture was good enough by which to judge the inpired Apostle Paul, then it has certainly been good enough to judge the fickle fools among you like Foster et all…
But alas, you would not…
December 4, 2008
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This article by Berit Kjos needs no elaboration. Read this quote from the NAE’s Richard Cizik.
Walter Russell Meade, in a piece I would recommend this month called God’s Country subtitled ‘The Evangelicals,’ says the most important dialogue that needs to occur is between evangelical Christians and Muslims. … The fundamentalists have a pessimistic view of future and they have this perception, unlike evangelicals and liberal Christians, that there’s an unbridgeable divide between the believer and the unbeliever. So you put together, you see, those two factors, no wonder the Left Behind series has the general secretary to the U.N. as the anti-Christ. That is really craziness, but you see that combination of pessimism and that unbridgeable divide between the fundamentalists is really what has disenfranchised, you see, evangelicals from the bigger conversation because people think we believe that. We don’t believe that. We believe… there’s a common ground that evangelicals have with the rest of the world, especially Muslims….
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December 4, 2008
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At My Word Like Fire John Lanagan speaks to an issue he knows personally quite well:
Homosexuals will continue to demand acceptance. They and their allies will continue to change America through propaganda in our schools, and through our entertainment. My dad died of AIDS. You figure it out. I have many gay relatives. My wife and I have repented of this sin, and are covered with the Blood of Jesus.
I spent a lot of years fearing what would happen when fellow Christians found out about my past… Some of the nicest people you will ever meet are homosexuals. But that is not the issue, not if you serve the Son of the Living God…
See also:
JOHN LANAGAN: SINGING THE HOMOSEXUAL BLUES
TODD FRIEL: A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE ROB BELL SAYS PUBLICLY PRACTICING HOMOSEXUALITY IS OK FOR CHRISTIANS
EMERGENT CHURCH THEOLOGIAN TONY JONES AND HIS UNREPENTANT HOMOSEXUAL CHRISTIANS
WILL ROB BELL NOW FOLLOW TONY JONES OUT OF THE CLOSET?
EMERGENT CHURCH OPENLY ACCEPTS PRACTICING HOMOSEXUAL “CHRISTIANS”
BRIAN McLAREN, THE EMERGING CHURCH, AND HOMOSEXUALITY: WHAT’S SO HARD ABOUT THAT?”
PRACTICING HOMOSEXUAL BISHOP GENE ROBINSON: “THIS IS WHERE GOD IS LEADING THE WHOLE CHURCH”
JAY BAKKER CHALLENGES MEGA-CHURCH PASTORS ON HOMOPHOBIA
December 4, 2008
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Join me on Crosstalk today with guest, Kevin Williams, a pastor in Manchester, UK. He was just fired from his new pastorate for preaching the Gospel. You can’t make this stuff up. You can listen live at 2pm here at our website. Also, here are a few photos of Kevin preaching in one of the toughest places spiritually in the world–the UK.
Kevin, crying out to a lost generation with the Word of God.
Kevin calls to listeners to repent and believe the Gospel.
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December 4, 2008
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In this short post, built around a teaching from C.H. Spurgeon, is a thank you to those serving the Lord in this often thankless task.
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December 4, 2008
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Apprising Ministries is in agreement with pastor John Chisham and let me also point out that while close may count in horseshoes, when it comes to someone’s eternal destiny, it still misses by an eternity. How tragic that the Body of Christ continues being so misrepresented by such a semi-pelagian self-seeking lover of the self as Rick Warren.
I echo the words of the Curator of the Museum of Idolatry over at A Little Leaven:
Is there a way for us to have a recall on Rick Warren? We don’t want him representing us Christians anymore on Television. We want a different representative. We want one who is not ashamed of the Gospel and will boldly condemn men’s sins, call men to repentance and placard Jesus Christ’s death on the cross for the forgiveness of sins. (Online source)
Over at The Downgrade Chisham shares:
Now, I am sure Richard Abanes, professional apologist for Rick Warren will disagree with where Rick and I really parted ways. Alan Colmes( a Jew) basically begged Rick Warren to proclaim the Gospel. He went at Rick at least three times, giving him the perfect opportunity to say that Jesus Christ is the only way. Rick kind of partially quoted John 14:6 and said that Jesus is the way; but then Alan Colmes came back at him and asked if that means that you must take Jesus Christ as your Lord to be saved, and Rick dodged that question, as well as the follow up, asking if Jews, Muslims, etc. will be in heaven if they do not believe in Christ.
Alan Colmes was giving Pastor Rick Warren ample opportunity to proclaim that it is appointed unto man once to die, and after this comes judgement. A perfect opportunity to say that God sent Jesus into the world not to condemn the world but that the world might be saved through Him- but that whoever does not believe is condemned already. And he could have said that the wrath of God abides on those who will not take this gift. He could have proclaimed the good news. He didn’t,… (Online source)
See also:
SOUTHERN BAPTIST PASTOR RICK WARREN AND SADDLEBACK CHURCH OPENLY RECOMMEND CONTEMPLATIVE SPIRITUALITY
SADDLEBACK CHURCH PASTORS USING ROB BELL TEACHINGS
REFUTING RICK WARREN
SOUTHERN BAPTIST PASTOR RICK WARREN CORRECTS MARTIN LUTHER
POPE BENEDICT XVI TELLS RICK WARREN THAT WARREN DOES NOT PASTOR AN ACTUAL CHURCH
December 4, 2008
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We at CRN agree with pastor John Chisham and also point out that while close may count in horseshoes, when it comes to someone’s eternal destiny, it still misses by an eternity. How tragic that the Body of Christ continues being so misrepresented by such a semi-pelagian self-seeking lover of the self as Rick Warren.
I echo the words of the Curator of the Museum of Idolatry over at A Little Leaven:
Is there a way for us to have a recall on Rick Warren? We don’t want him representing us Christians anymore on Television. We want a different representative. We want one who is not ashamed of the Gospel and will boldly condemn men’s sins, call men to repentance and placard Jesus Christ’s death on the cross for the forgiveness of sins. (Online source)
Over at the Downgrade Chisham shares:
Now, I am sure Richard Abanes, professional apologist for Rick Warren will disagree with where Rick and I really parted ways. Alan Colmes( a Jew) basically begged Rick Warren to proclaim the Gospel. He went at Rick at least three times, giving him the perfect opportunity to say that Jesus Christ is the only way. Rick kind of partially quoted John 14:6 and said that Jesus is the way; but then Alan Colmes came back at him and asked if that means that you must take Jesus Christ as your Lord to be saved, and Rick dodged that question, as well as the follow up, asking if Jews, Muslims, etc. will be in heaven if they do not believe in Christ.
Alan Colmes was giving Pastor Rick Warren ample opportunity to proclaim that it is appointed unto man once to die, and after this comes judgement. A perfect opportunity to say that God sent Jesus into the world not to condemn the world but that the world might be saved through Him- but that whoever does not believe is condemned already. And he could have said that the wrath of God abides on those who will not take this gift. He could have proclaimed the good news. He didn’t,… (Online source)
See also: SOUTHERN BAPTIST PASTOR RICK WARREN AND SADDLEBACK CHURCH OPENLY RECOMMEND CONTEMPLATIVE SPIRITUALITY
SADDLEBACK CHURCH PASTORS USING ROB BELL TEACHINGS
REFUTING RICK WARREN
SOUTHERN BAPTIST PASTOR RICK WARREN CORRECTS MARTIN LUTHER
POPE BENEDICT XVI TELLS RICK WARREN THAT WARREN DOES NOT PASTOR AN ACTUAL CHURCH
December 4, 2008
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Here is Paul Washer preaching at the Faith Bible Church in Springfield, IL and asking the question, “Are you a true disciple?”
Here’s the link to download the video and mp3:
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=122081214317
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Added: December 4, 2008
December 4, 2008
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Building on a teaching by Charles Spurgeon I seek to encourage those laboring in the thankless and misunderstood Special Ops in this Truth War. If you are against online discernment ministry do yourself a favor and don’t read this piece at Apprising Ministries.
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