October 15, 2008
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From Greg Gordon, creator and editor of Sermonindex.net.:
Saints,
The conference in Atlanta, Georgia will be webcasted live for all its
sessions. I am excited about the potential web audience from all
across that world that will tune in. Spread the word about the event.
These are dire times in North America and what a good and acceptable
time to seek God that He may be found.
You can watch the entire conference at: http://www.revivalconference.com
And also at: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/sermonindex.net-live-webcast-events
The first session starts at 2pm EST on Tues, Oct 21st. And the webcast
will be live for the next whole 2 days 8am-10pm EST. More information
on the speakers and the schedule go here: http://revivalconference.eventbrite.com/
October 15, 2008
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Recently Dr. John MacArthur referred to Emerging Church Pastor Doug Pagitt as a “universalist.” In this post using an excerpt from an appearance by Doug Pagitt on Way of the Master radio Apprising Ministries shows MacArthur’s assessment is dead on target.
October 15, 2008
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Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. (Romans 8:1, NASB)
Can You Be A Christian And Not Believe What Christians Believe?
Recently in the article “The Emergent Church is a Form of Paganism” Dr. John MacArthur said of Emerging Church Pastor Doug Pagitt:
Let me just cut to the chase on this one: [Doug] Pagitt is a Universalist. What he was saying is real simple. He was saying when you die your spirit goes to God and judgment means that whatever was not right about you, whatever was bad about you, whatever was substantially lacking about you, gets all resolved. It doesn’t matter whether you’re a Buddhist, a Hindu or a Muslim—doesn’t matter whether you’re a Christian really; we’re all going to end up in this wonderful, warm and fuzzy relationship with God. That’s just classic universalism.
I think you know it’s most helpful, Paul, to go back and kind of recast how we view these people. He’s not a pastor; he’s not a Christian; that’s not a church. When you call yourself a Christian and you call yourself a pastor and you say you have a church, all of that has to be—to be legitimate—defined biblically. And if it’s not, that’s not a church and you’re not a pastor and you’re not even a Christian.
What you have here is a form of false religion … A form of paganism that basically wants to be thought of as Christian because it gains a certain ground. (Online source)
In addition just about a year ago Doug Pagitt, a good friend of Emerging Church pastor Rob Bell, was interviewed by Todd Friel of Way of the Master radio. Following is a section of the transcript of the interview. This will give you confirmation that MacArthur is correct in calling Pagitt a universalist. Friel asks Pagitt, pastor of the Emergent Church attended by well known Emerging theologian Tony Jones, ”How is God going to judge the good Muslim?” Pagitt answers, “there’s going to be no difference between the way God going to interact with you when you die and the way God’s going to interact with a Muslim when a Muslim dies.”
Todd Friel is a Christian and our opening text clearly tells the regenerated i.e. born again Christian that through God’s grace alone; by faith alone, in Christ alone there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, which means he will remain in the presence of the Lord in Heaven. So if Pagitt then tells us ”there’s going to be no difference between the way God going to interact” with a Christian like Todd Friel and an unregenerate i.e. unsaved non-believer then he is teaching universalism and contradicting what the Scripture says applies only to those those who are in Christ Jesus.
So I ask again; why are evangelical church bringing in men like Doug Pagitt who believe not the Gospel of Jesus Christ to teach your young?
Pagitt Says God Will Treat All Men The Same After Death
Todd: Sure it is. I’m a good Muslim. Where do you think I go, pastor?
Doug: Where do I go? See here we go again. Now you’re talking about a place..
Todd: What happens to my soul when I die?
Doug: Ok, now THERE’s a different question.
Todd: Alright
Doug: There you go.
Todd: What happens to my soul when I die?
Doug: There you go. And I’m not just.. you know. You’re the guy who wants to be precise about words. That’s why you put sentences together like this.
Todd: Don’t you?
Doug: Yes very much…
Todd: OK
Doug: That’s why when you put together questions like that…
Todd: Alright.
Doug: … and ask them they don’t make any sense.
Todd: I’m a good Muslim. What happens to my soul when I die?
Doug: You are… you interact with God, just as every other human being interacts with God.
Todd: You mean Hebrews 9: “It is appointed to a man once to die and then judgment?”
Doug: Right, yea, that’s interaction with…
Todd: So he gets judged?
Doug: Right, that’s interaction with God.
Todd: Uh huh, and so…
Doug: Yeah.
Todd: What’s… what’s going to happen to the… How is God going to judge the good Muslim?
Doug: Does it.. God’s going to judge the life and repair and restore and heal the life of everybody in the same way. There’s gonna be no difference between what God…
Todd: So the Muslim is ultimately not going to be… go to a bad place. He’s ultimately going to be restored with God when he dies?
Doug: No, there’s going to be no difference between the way God going to interact with you when you die and the way God’s going to interact with a Muslim when a Muslim dies.
Todd: So I wanna put… I wanna put this into my fundamentalist language. What I just heard you say is: There is no difference between the Christian and the Muslim afterlife. God is going to have a good place prepared for both of us.
Doug: No, I… No I didn’t say a place. See, here you go again.
Todd: Ok, a good thing, a good event, a good existence.
Doug: I didn’t say a place. What I said was, the way God’s going to interact with you is the same way that God’s going to interact with everybody. The same experience of all of humanity. God will… God will interact with all of humanity in judgment the same, no matter who you are, or what your parents have taught you, or what you believe. (Online source)
See also:
DOUG PAGITT UNIVERSAL STATEMENT
DOUG PAGITT: THE EMERGENT CHURCH IS A CALL TO FRIENDSHIP WITH THE WORLD
DOUG PAGITT AND THE CULT OF THE EMERGENT CHURCH
October 15, 2008
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“By grace are ye saved, through faith” (Ephesians 2:8 ).
THINK IT WELL to turn a little to one side that I may ask my reader to observe adoringly the fountain-head of our salvation, which is the grace of God. “By grace are ye saved.” Because God is gracious, therefore sinful men are forgiven, converted, purified, [...]
October 15, 2008
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“By grace are ye saved, through faith” (Ephesians 2:8 ).
THINK IT WELL to turn a little to one side that I may ask my reader to observe adoringly the fountain-head of our salvation, which is the grace of God. “By grace are ye saved.” Because God is gracious, therefore sinful men are forgiven, converted, purified, [...]
October 15, 2008
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Our sanctification is designed by God to transform us unto the image of Christ. The human heart before regeneration is clueless about the ways of God. The unregenerate heart can only comprehend the wisdom of the world. This ‘wisdom,’ such as it is, views the Christian calling as utter foolishness. Sadly, there are innumerable professing Christians in our time who claim that Jesus is their Saviour, but they cling to worldly comforts as they view the self-denied life as peculiar and only for Jesus freaks and fanatics.
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October 15, 2008
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We believe in one God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, Very God of Very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father by whom all things were made; who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Mary, and was made man, and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate. He suffered and was buried, and the third day he rose again according to the Scriptures, and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father. And he shall come again with glory to judge both the quick and the dead, whose kingdom shall have no end.
And we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life, who proceedeth from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, who spoke by the prophets. And we believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. And we look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.
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October 15, 2008
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Christian Today reports: Christians From Many Traditions Seek an Ecumenical Approach to Christian-Muslim Dialogue
“The World Council of Churches (WCC), together with a number of Christian world communions, the World Evangelical Alliance (WEA) and the Roman Catholic Church are expecting some 50 church leaders and experts on Christian-Muslim dialogue to attend a consultation from 18 to 20 October in Chavannes-de-Bogis, outside Geneva, Switzerland.”
“…The consultation emerged from an ecumenical process of response to A Common Word, a letter signed by 138 Muslim scholars and addressed to Christian leaders around the world, which was launched by the WCC in 2007.”
October 15, 2008
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Thought you might be blessed with a little video treat of the congregation of Scammon Bay Covenant Church singing “Quayciu Angayuqaq” (’Praise Ye the Lord’ in the Yup’ik language of the Lower Yukon Delta). This was recorded during the last service where I was privileged to proclaim Christ and Him crucified to my beloved Yup’ik brethren, January 13, 2008. I pray that you as blessed by these children as I was…
October 15, 2008
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Thought you might be blessed with a little video treat of the congregation of Scammon Bay Covenant Church singing “Quayciu Angayuqaq” (’Praise Ye the Lord’ in the Yup’ik language of the Lower Yukon Delta). This was recorded during the last service where I was privileged to proclaim Christ and Him crucified to my beloved Yup’ik brethren, January 13, 2008. I pray that you as blessed by these children as I was…
October 15, 2008
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For all of you that have been praying for my family and I, I just wanted to thank you and let you know that I’ve been feeling pretty well. After speaking with my doctor again yesterday afternoon, I’ve been “upgraded” again to a possible slow, degenerative ALS, if it’s ALS at all. Though I still have many of the symptoms, I’m doing well and continue to praise God for His love and free grace. Thanks again, and praise ye the Lord. Your brother in Christ, jon cardwell
October 15, 2008
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For all of you that have been praying for my family and I, I just wanted to thank you and let you know that I’ve been feeling pretty well. After speaking with my doctor again yesterday afternoon, I’ve been “upgraded” again to a possible slow, degenerative ALS, if it’s ALS at all. Though I still have many of the symptoms, I’m doing well and continue to praise God for His love and free grace. Thanks again, and praise ye the Lord. Your brother in Christ, jon cardwell
October 15, 2008
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The following link is presented as vivid illustration of the fruit currently being produced by seeker-friendly churches ala Willow Creek and the Emerging Church with their man-centered Church Growth versions of the Christian faith. The author begins:
So Jesus walks into a bar, and actually sits down. He orders a blue moon with an extra orange slice and looks up at the television… With the remote control in hand Jesus becomes Jesus even more, and with the power of the remote control begins to scour the channels that the satellite company has provided…
Jesus stops on a music video channel. A Marilyn Manson music video is playing, and Jesus smiles. Jesus puts down the remote and lights up a clove. The bartender was shocked! Jesus was smoking and drinking and watching an anti-Jesus artist, at his bar…
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October 15, 2008
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The following link is presented as vivid illustration of the fruit currently being produced by seeker-friendly churches ala Willow Creek and the Emerging Church with their man-centered Church Growth versions of the Christian faith. The author begins:
So Jesus walks into a bar, and actually sits down. He orders a blue moon with an extra orange slice and looks up at the television… With the remote control in hand Jesus becomes Jesus even more, and with the power of the remote control begins to scour the channels that the satellite company has provided…
Jesus stops on a music video channel. A Marilyn Manson music video is playing, and Jesus smiles. Jesus puts down the remote and lights up a clove. The bartender was shocked! Jesus was smoking and drinking and watching an anti-Jesus artist, at his bar…
October 15, 2008
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From the Fighting for the Faith website:
Segment 1- Interview with Doug Pagitt of the Emergent Church on his latest book A Christianity Worth Believing…
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October 15, 2008
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From the Fighting for the Faith website:
Segment 1- Interview with Doug Pagitt of the Emergent Church on his latest book A Christianity Worth Believing…
October 15, 2008
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October 15, 2008
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Here, once again, is my friend, Doug Eaton (deaton29), sounding off on the top ten ways for youth leaders to hinder Jesus Christ’s Church.
Doug’s Youtube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/deaton29
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October 15, 2008
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Zondervan has been circling the drain for some time but this story from the Lighthouse Blog indicates they may finally be going down, “We are posting the following notice by Zondervan publishing regarding Leighton Ford and his new book, The Attentive Life. The book offers a collection of quotes by and references to some of the most prolific eastern-style meditation teachers,…”
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